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Podfic Thoughts...

I want to take a moment to talk about podfic (are you guys surprised?). Obviously, I'm a little obsessed with it; I love it to pieces. I know it hasn't caught on for a lot of fandoms and it's not every one's thing and that's ok. I'm not going to try and make anyone like it who doesn't.

But, the thing is, I've stumbled across quite a few conversations lately (mostly on LJ and Twitter) where people have been talking about why they don't like podfic. And, again, if you don't like podfic, you don't like podfic, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. However one of the reasons I keep seeing cited for not liking podfic is that they can read the fic faster in their heads than the podficer reads out loud.

Which is totally true, however it misses the point of podfic, and that's what I want to talk about. Because, I can read the lyrics of a song much faster (and sometimes with greater understanding) than I can listen to the song. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop listening to music. While the lyrics of a song are really important, they're only one part of a whole.

And the story is a much larger percentage of the whole of a podfic than the lyrics are of a song but my point is that listening to a podfic is a different experience than just reading a fic. Or, at least, as a podficer I hope that my readers are getting more than that. Podfic isn't just a format shift, it's not just an accessibility issue. If it were, you could just use a screen reader and be done with it, it would certainly be a lot less work.

And I get that if you're just sitting there listening to podfic, as you would sit to read, it can seem slow. But I would suggest to people who feel that way, to maybe try listening to it in other ways before giving up on it. Instead of just sitting there, do something while listening. Like knitting, data entry (god, podfic saved my life when I did data entry full time), cooking, cleaning or exercising. One of the biggest appeals of podfic, to me personally, is that it allows me to consume fanfic at times when I can't read.

And, you know, some people appreciate that podfic is slower. I've seen more than one person comment (myself included) that when listening at a slower pace, they pick up the nuances of a story that they missed as they sped through the text.

I guess I just want people to realize that podfic isn't an alternative to fic, it's something very different from it. So yeah, don't feel obligated to like podfic just because you like fic, but please, don't compare the two like they're the same thing either.

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paradise_city
Oct. 5th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
Good points, all of them, but I think a lot of it depends on the reader, as well. I don't mind a slower fic if it's well-read, but there are some readers who can just kill a great fic with their reading. That's what eventually turned me off podfic, I think. The time investment was more significant and if I wasn't getting a good reading out of it there was no reason to continue.
paraka
Oct. 5th, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's true, but as I discovered from amplificathon's amplirecathon earlier this year, there's a lot of variety in what works for people. I saw some podfics being rec'ed as being "OMG SO GOOD" or "they got the character down perfectly!" for podfics that I could barely listen to.

As a podfic listener the biggest appeal is that I can listen when doing other things. I listen a lot when I'm at work and it makes my day so much more enjoyable. As a podfic creator however, it's a lot more about what I can bring to the fic, how I can make it interesting and true to how the author meant it.

YMMV.

Have you tried listening to podklb? She's podficing in bandom these days and is really good. So is shiningartifact.
paradise_city
Oct. 5th, 2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
As a podfic listener the biggest appeal is that I can listen when doing other things.

And that's something I can never do. If I'm multitasking, I'm not listening to what's being read. My full attention is what I'm listening to and that might have something to do with my pickiness.

I haven't listened to podfic in ages, so I haven't heard any podfic at all. Thanks for the rec!

Also, that brings up a second point. I don't know that I could listen to podfic for fic I've read multiple times. In that case I know I have a certain rhythm and reading and I think it would be unsettling to hear someone perform a different reading. Hm. I might have to test that hypothesis at some point.
paraka
Oct. 6th, 2010 01:21 pm (UTC)
And that's something I can never do. If I'm multitasking, I'm not listening to what's being read.
That's... wow. Yeah, that would totally change my listening habits. I mean, I'll be reading things and sending off email and stuff while I listen. I think that's also part of the reason why I relisten to things so often (I can miss things the first time).

You can't do anything while you listen? Like not even something mindless like, I don't know, chopping vegetables or playing minesweeper?

I haven't listened to podfic in ages, so I haven't heard any podfic at all. Thanks for the rec!
You're welcome! brimtoast/podklb is my new podfic buddy, but you were my original one. Every once in a while I think about doing something with that SGA podfic I made for you and releasing it, but um, I kind of hate it now. I wasn't using the best equipment and the sound quality is off and my editing sucked. :-/

I don't know that I could listen to podfic for fic I've read multiple times. In that case I know I have a certain rhythm and reading and I think it would be unsettling to hear someone perform a different reading.
I experienced that with City of a Thousand Wonders by astolat, read by 2naonh3_cl2. I don't know if it's that I've read the fic over and over again, so much as I read it with the idea of podficing it myself in mind. 2naonh3_cl2 is a great reader, but her reading style and interpretations are very different than mine.

I can still enjoy her podfic (I've certainly listened to it enough that it's no longer jarring) but I still flirt with the idea of making my own version of that podfic (I've discussed it with 2naonh3_cl2 before and she totally supports my making my own version, so that's helpful).
paradise_city
Oct. 6th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
You can't do anything while you listen? Like not even something mindless like, I don't know, chopping vegetables or playing minesweeper?

Nope. I just can't split my attention that well, though I wish I could. The only time I really do anything mindless is going to the gym, but even then podfic and TV don't hold my interest. It's got to be music or that hour drags by like the slow train to Philly.

I'm really glad podfic is growing in popularity, though. It's really a great concept.
pbanda
Oct. 5th, 2010 08:03 pm (UTC)
I hardly ever read fanfic and have never tried podfic, but I have recently discovered audio books. Which are pretty much the same thing, right? One thing I -like- about audio books is that I can't skim as I tend to do while reading. I'm forced to really digest everything, and that makes the experience more fun. It's a bit like watching a movie normally vs. fast forwarding the slow or dialogue-free parts. You'll get he gist of the story if you fast-forward or skim, but you'll miss a lot of ambiance and detail. I mean skimming is great for reading text books, but when you're reading a story the whole point is to enjoy it. Immerse yourself. Don't rush.

Anyhow, having a good reader is also very important. In one of the last audio books I listened to, the reader kept mispronouncing characters names. Sure they were Spanish names and she's an English speaking reader, but that's no excuse.... especially since she was a professional! It really pulled me out of the story. A good reader, though, can really bring the book to life. It's basically acting and creating distinct character voices - it's not easy at all. So I would imagine that with fic there's a wide range of talent in the reader pool - just as there is in the writer pool. Some will be great, some will be terrible. If someone has only listened to the terrible ones that would be a huge turn off.
paraka
Oct. 5th, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC)
I hardly ever read fanfic and have never tried podfic, but I have recently discovered audio books. Which are pretty much the same thing, right?
Basically. Podfic is an recording of someone reading a fanfic.

I'm forced to really digest everything, and that makes the experience more fun.
*nods* There have been times where I've discovered whole elements of a story by listening to it. It's pretty neat.

Anyhow, having a good reader is also very important.
Yeah, that can make a huge difference, especially with podfic since we aren't professionals and sometimes we're working with less than optimal equipment. Still, I've listened to some podfics that were better than pro audio books. I wonder, sometimes, if it's a reader that puts some of these people off. I hope not because the last conversation I observed on Twitter about this, the people involved had AI icons so there's a really high chance they were talking about one of my podfics :S
penrith1
Oct. 5th, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
I'm a big fan as you know. One of the reasons I love IS because I'm a fast reader so the slower pace allows me to immerse myself in the atmosphere of the story.
I must admit that my favourite way of listening is with earphones in bed first thing in the morning. I can disappear into the story and then face the day with a smile on my face.
One of my other loves is the theatre so for me a well read fic is like a dramatic play.
paraka
Oct. 6th, 2010 02:25 pm (UTC)
I find it so interesting when people talk about why they like podfic :) That's a cool idea, listening while in bed in the morning. Normally the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up is check my email and Twitter, then I'll generally read for a bit (while still in bed). However there's a lot of squinting at the glare of my computer. Listening to podfic might be a gentler way to wake up....

Although, one of the... not downsides, but effects I guess, of these conversations is that I realize that there are a lot of podfic listeners that are looking for completely different things from podfic than me. Like, a quality performance....

As a podfic listener I have super low standards. The podfic has to be really bad, or do something really wrong for me to not listen to it (there's one podfic I can think of, who doesn't even edit out her mistakes but I still listen to her stuff, repeatedly). My low standards was what made me feel confident enough to start podficing myself. Like, "People are so desperate for podfic, they'll even listen to me."

Now I know differently and if fills me with insecurities :S Granted, I think, as a reader, I've improved a lot since my first podfic but I definitely put more time and effort into my podfics now than I used to. And luckily it seems to be working since people keep listening to them and leaving me lovely feedback. :)
penrith1
Oct. 6th, 2010 09:30 pm (UTC)
Let me know if you find listening in bed a great way to start the day. Speaking of quality performances I have my favourite readers who seem to take a lot of time editing. As a listener I really appreciate this. There is one reader who seems to carry on regardless and though I appreciate anyone podficcing in my fandom it can be a little jarring.
Never fear you are a good reader. I was listening to 1 am and the Betrothal this morning and loved them both, again and again.
paraka
Oct. 7th, 2010 02:31 pm (UTC)
There is one reader who seems to carry on regardless and though I appreciate anyone podficcing in my fandom it can be a little jarring.
I think I know who you're talking about. I still listen to her stuff, but every once in a while I want to go in and edit the podfic myself!

I've actually run into this from more than one podficer actually. Some of them, I just assume they missed it when editing but others have so many that you begin to wonder if they did any editing at all.

And thank you for the compliments. And don't worry about the name mix up. I'm horrible with names myself (I recognized that that was the wrong name, but it took me a while to remember the correct one, and I podficed it).
penrith1
Oct. 7th, 2010 12:36 am (UTC)
Sorry I'm a dufus. I meant the Bargain. My only excuse is that it's late here. I'll elaborate while I'm here again to say you handled the sexy scene really well. Just enough oomph.
brimtoast
Oct. 7th, 2010 12:11 am (UTC)
I know it hasn't caught on for a lot of fandoms

I still maintain that it's going to be huge one day, though. I mean, I feel like it's getting bigger every day, and someday it'll hit tipping point and just explode. It's so closely connected to fic, and fic is so central to fandom, that I think when it does get big, it'll get big in a different way than vids did.

But really, who knows. But yesterday was a strangely lucky day for an AI podfic fan, wasn't it? With two random ones popping up (the one I linked you and the one on twitter that I assumed you found on your own). They both seemed longish, too, though I haven't listened. I only listen to my own podfic lately, which... is never a pattern I would have expected. I think it's really just that I'm so into the story (the almost-complete WIP I've been working on forever. One chapter to go! Hopefully going to record it on Saturday and be one step closer to the ennnnnnd).

I can read the lyrics of a song much faster (and sometimes with greater understanding) than I can listen to the song. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop listening to music.

I like this analogy. I can also read the script of a TV episode in less time than it takes to watch. But again, it so doesn't mean that I would rather do so.

If it were, you could just use a screen reader and be done with it, it would certainly be a lot less work.

My hope is that, if people are listening to my podfics, even if they ARE thinking of it as just an accessibility thing, I'm secretly making the experience better for them by my performance. Even if they don't realize that it's happening.

My confidence that this is actually happening varies depending on the day. I've noticed I can listen back to the same recording of mine and have wildly different reactions. Like, every time I listen back, almost, the lines that are my favorite and the lines that bug me most will *change*. It's really surprising to me the extent to which that happens. Not just a couple lines, every now and then, but almost all the lines, almost every single time.

Instead of just sitting there, do something while listening

I agree so hard. I love podfic very very much, but I can't sit still listening to them. In fact, as I think I've mentioned before, I will go on a walk or clean the house *in order to* listen to a podfic, even when I wouldn't otherwise have done that stuff, because sitting and listening just doesn't work for me, unless I'm incredibly beat. So to me, it's not just about consuming podfic at times when I can't read, because there are times when I could read that I choose to listen to podfic instead. But I have to go do some kind of activity with my body while I'm listening, so it might appear at first glance to be a time when I couldn't have been reading.

I've seen more than one person comment (myself included) that when listening at a slower pace, they pick up the nuances of a story that they missed as they sped through the text.

They might be also attributing that to speed, when it is actually partly reader expressiveness that is allowing them to pick up on nuances. Just sayin'.

So yeah, don't feel obligated to like podfic just because you like fic, but please, don't compare the two like they're the same thing either.

Well said
paraka
Oct. 7th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
I still maintain that it's going to be huge one day, though. I mean, I feel like it's getting bigger every day, and someday it'll hit tipping point and just explode. It's so closely connected to fic, and fic is so central to fandom, that I think when it does get big, it'll get big in a different way than vids did.
I don't know if podfic is ever going to be as big as fic is but, yeah, I do think it'll catch on more. Especially as we move forward in the digital age where people always have their headphones on and the internet becomes more mobile.

I highly doubt anything will get big like vids did, just because vids got big in such an odd way. Like, they're still kind of second class fanarts for a lot of people in fandom, however they're being legitimized outside of fandom a lot more. It's like Vidding got big separate from fandom. However podfic is so intrinsic to fandom that I can't see something similar happening to it.

I imagine it'll take off my like other art. Like right now we're at the stage of fanart, where with some fandoms it catches on like a house on fire and it loved and adored and popular, other fandoms though pretty much just don't have any. Sometimes people love it and crave it, sometimes people just don't get it/find personal value in it. I hope though, that at some point we can hit something like icons where it's in pretty much every fandom and everyone knows about it and uses it.

But yesterday was a strangely lucky day for an AI podfic fan, wasn't it?
Very lucky. I'm in the process of listening to one right now (the one you linked) and have the Twitter one downloaded (I haven't listened to it yet; it's Adam/Tommy. Which, I'll still listen to, but it's not really my part of fandom). I also downloaded shiningartifact's update :D

My hope is that, if people are listening to my podfics, even if they ARE thinking of it as just an accessibility thing, I'm secretly making the experience better for them by my performance. Even if they don't realize that it's happening.
*nods* I know it's happening, since that's how I started out. I would never consider switching to a screen reader, because I want more than that, even though my standards for "more" aren't all that high. There's just something so different in having a human read something, even if that human isn't very good at it.

I agree so hard. I love podfic very very much, but I can't sit still listening to them. In fact, as I think I've mentioned before, I will go on a walk or clean the house *in order to* listen to a podfic, even when I wouldn't otherwise have done that stuff
I remember one podfic listener mentioning that she's never made so many trips to the corner store since she discovered podfic, and that her husband has stopped questioning why it can now take her over an hour when before it would take 10 minutes :P

I know that for me, right now, podfic is a convenience thing. I listen while at work. However, I'm contemplating changing jobs right now, and I know that whatever new job I may get might not allow for podfic while I work, so I've already started coming up with plans of how to listen to it outside of work if the need arises (I avoid listening outside of work right now, since I don't have enough to fill my work time and don't want to be left there bored).

"So yeah, don't feel obligated to like podfic just because you like fic, but please, don't compare the two like they're the same thing either"
Well said

As I started writing this up, it took me a while to come to that conclusion. Because I really don't want to force people to like podfic if they don't. And I don't really want to stifle conversation if people want to talk about why they don't like podfic. Then I realized that it was the comparison of podfic to fic that was causing a lot of the problems.

In other news, I might be heading down to your neck of the woods next month. I'll email you with details as soon as I have them!
canuck_kat
Oct. 8th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
+1

I tend to think of podfic as a drama re-telling of a fic, which sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. lol

But I do compare podfics to radio plays that were translated from novels. Is that a close comparison?
paraka
Oct. 8th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
But I do compare podfics to radio plays that were translated from novels. Is that a close comparison?
Well, sort of, but also sort of not. The radio plays that I've listened to often have a cast and they edit the original text to better suite the cast reading.
Really, the closest comparison would be books to audio books :P
penrith1
Oct. 8th, 2010 10:48 am (UTC)
I just caught the reference from Brimtoast about 2 unexpected podfics (1 from Twitter). Would it be totally rude to ask about them? Was there any Kradam I might have missed? Sorry I think my addiction is showing lol.
Speaking of More Myself Part4 - Shiningartifact is a shining example of someone who puts her heart into podficcing. I adore the care she takes. Not only editing but musical interludes and such good delivery. She never disappoints. Sigh except another good one that is moving away from Kradam.
paraka
Oct. 8th, 2010 01:45 pm (UTC)
I meant to mention the new podfics in my comment, then totally forgot!

This one is Kradam (and really good!), this one is the Twitter one. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm pretty sure it's Adam/Tommy, not Kradam.

In other news, I'm going to try my hardest at get a new podfic posted tonight. I still have about 20 minutes to edit, and I'm supposed to be heading home for Thanksgiving so I might not make it until Monday/Tuesday but there should be new podfic from me soon. :)

I really like shiningartifact as a podficer too, and podklb, I was sad to find out they had moved on by the time I joined the fandom. podklb, because she's partly evil, tried to convince me to switch to bandom, but I have been resisting her wily temptations. :P
penrith1
Oct. 8th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
Hurrah Thank you I'll check them both out. I wonder why they've not shown up at the audiofic library? Anyway I really appreciate you keeping me in the loop.

Yes yes podklb fantastic - just when you find someone who is awesome they move on. I know it's seems to be the nature of fandom that it's not forever but I just wish these great readers and also great writers would throw us a crumb now and then.
paraka
Oct. 8th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
I wonder why they've not shown up at the audiofic library?
Probably because they've only been posted to the podficers journal and the podficers in question haven't sent them to the archive. If you post to amplificathon they'll automatically upload your podfic, otherwise, the podficer has to ask to have it uploaded.

I know it's seems to be the nature of fandom that it's not forever but I just wish these great readers and also great writers would throw us a crumb now and then.
Well, like any fanwork, podfic is a labour of love. When I'm finished with a fandom, I tend to never look back. I think because I'll be so intensely in a fandom that I overdose on it and never want to go back. So I can totally get why they moved on and we're actually pretty lucky that at least they're finishing the WIPs the started.
paraka
Oct. 9th, 2010 12:41 am (UTC)
So, I actually finished editing that podfic tonight. Except someone at work made me an awesome cover for it, however I ended up having an asthma attack and had to leave work early in a bit of a hurry. So the cover is stuck on my work computer. I'm not sure how impatient you are for the podfic, but if you don't mind waiting for the cover, I have it up here (it's titled AI8 RPF-Husband-Revealing Magical Lemonade (or, How Kris Learned to Keep Calm and Just Go with It) by moirariordan-paraka).
penrith1
Oct. 9th, 2010 08:37 am (UTC)
Oh you are a real sweetheart. I got the two you linked. The little Adam/Tommy was cute and hot but as you said the sound quality makes it almost impossible to listen to. The second one was very good. Very well written story and the delivery while not as dramatically acted as others was mostly error free and she had a good speaking voice and clear delivery.
Of course now I'm frustrated that there may be other podfics out there that are not archived and that I'm missing. lol
Thank you also for the early link to your new one. I've got it and will listen over the weekend. A real treat to look forward to. Anne
brimtoast
Oct. 8th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Well, I didn't know you were pathologically monofannish at the time! Take your time coming to bandom. But when you do, there will be a 9-hour podfic of mine awaiting you! And some great stuff by shiningartifact and coriande as well.

Thing is, there is no fandom I wouldn't follow a reader I liked to, including SPN, which I have a really strong predisposition against. So I am very perplexed at this idea that it matters to people what fandom I am reading it. But, I mean, I get that it does matter, obviously, to some.

However, just for the record, having people bug me to record what they want instead of what I want only makes me more resistant to recording what they wanted. Because, you know, it's my passion, it's my hours upon hours of time, and I think it's fair that I'm the one who decides what I spend it on.

With the exception that, if I promised to finish something, I think it's fair for people to expect me to finish it. But even then, outside pressure to finish it within a certain time frame is not fun. (Trust me, there is plenty of pressure coming from the inside to get my WIPs done and off my list of things to worry about). Especially when grad school this week was so bad that it has actually caused me to become physically ill, and I am now huddled in blankets hoping I will be well enough to record tomorrow, you know? Extra pressure: not actually conducive to the artistic process.

This is not directed at you, paraka, but it is something that I've felt I had to explain to the world a little too often. Idk if it's related to the conception of podfic as a format shift, or if it's just something that happens with every type of fan art, with people thinking they are being fun and helpful by pressuring you to make more once they like your work. But whatever it is, I find it really unpleasant when it's turned towards me.
paraka
Oct. 8th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Well, I didn't know you were pathologically monofannish at the time!
I know, I know. I thought I was getting over it since this time last year I was kind of multifannish, but it turned out it was just because I didn't love the fandoms I was in at the time. I'm just too happy here in AI. But I still have your bandom primer ready, and I might be asking you or roga for bandom fic recs for my podbang assignment soon.

So I am very perplexed at this idea that it matters to people what fandom I am reading it. But, I mean, I get that it does matter, obviously, to some.
I think it comes down to how monofannish you are, or what your attitudes are. Like, I've gotten slightly better at this, but I generally won't read anything from a fandom that I haven't seen all the source material of. Maybe if it's a crossover I might but that's about it. So, listening to any old podfic, even if it's by an awesome reader, won't work for me.

A large part of fanfic is that it's build on the source of something else, so it feels to me like I'm missing something important if I don't know the source material. Hell, I even find it hard to read fics in fandoms where I'm not familiar with the fandom, because fanon can affect fic just as much. I'm more likely to listen to something long over something short, just for that reason (long stuff will build it's own fanon).

So yeah, that fandom does matter to some people. Not that I would ever try and pressure you into coming back if you don't want to. I know that I have trouble looking back at some of the fandoms I've been in the past. I think because I'm in a fandom so intensely, I can but out of them, and but unable to ever go back.

Especially when grad school this week was so bad that it has actually caused me to become physically ill, and I am now huddled in blankets hoping I will be well enough to record tomorrow, you know?
Oh, I hope you feel better soon! And I know what you mean. I'm at home right now after having a pretty bad asthma attack today at work. There won't be any podficing for me this weekend (well, not that there was before since I'll be with family for Thanksgiving).

Idk if it's related to the conception of podfic as a format shift, or if it's just something that happens with every type of fan art, with people thinking they are being fun and helpful by pressuring you to make more once they like your work. But whatever it is, I find it really unpleasant when it's turned towards me.
Well, I think there are a couple reasons for it, and I don't think they're podfic specific reasons.

Part of it is just that you're really good. People come back for quality.

Part of it is that we're working a scarcity model here with so few podfics (48)/podficers (17) that you really feel the pain/joy of it when someone goes/starts. And every work is really appreciated no matter what.

Part of it is that, sometimes, it works. I know that I made a vid, just because someone did that to me back when I was on my way out of QaF. Feedback and knowing that what you do is loved an appreciated can be quite the motivator for some people. *shrugs*
This tends to be more effective if a creator has just hit a creative lull though and isn't producing anything, if they've shifted their focus to something new, as you have, it can be a lot more annoying.
brimtoast
Oct. 8th, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
You're doing bandom for podbang? That makes me laugh. You've avoided reading it and listening to it for so long, only to end up having to record it. Is it bandom in general, or a specific band, or what? roga knows soooo much more stuff that me, since I don't actually read that much. But I know a few good ones.

A large part of fanfic is that it's build on the source of something else, so it feels to me like I'm missing something important if I don't know the source material.

I get that, and I was worried at first when I started listening to podfic in unfamiliar fandoms, but it just turned out to not matter that much. It was kind of like the podfic *became* the source material for the fandom. I mean, I discovered SGA that way, filling in the pieces of who the characters were by listening to more and more stories. And sometimes it would get confusing, but other times there were fun discoveries. So, idk. It turned out to be an interesting way to learn about a fandom, without actually interacting with canon.

But every person's experience is different, and I'm not trying to invalidate anyone else's. Just describing my own.

And I know what you mean. I'm at home right now after having a pretty bad asthma attack today at work.

This was a pretty sucky week all around, I think. I am so relieved that it's over, and trying to work really hard to make sure next week will be better. Catching up on a bunch of back-reading for classes and so forth.

Part of it is just that you're really good.

I have actually been completely shocked to hear you say this. I always just figured you thought my readings were fine but not particularly to your tastes, and that you were politely talking around that fact. But, I mean, wow. Awesome. Thanks.

And yeah, I get the scarcity model thing, but it's still... well, I guess it still feels bad. But then, as you say, it depends on situation. If I were sitting around feeling despondent because I thought nobody liked my readings, then having someone come and tell me they were waiting impatiently for the next thing I did would be amazing and just what I needed. So... really, I guess it's just unlucky for me that the thing slowing me down is external (no available time) rather than internal (no confidence/motivation), otherwise maybe I'd be harnessing all this outside impetus and using it to build momentum for being super productive.

Still, I do appreciate the kinda-rare times when people just appreciate what I've done without building in pressure for me to do more. But I recognize that I did bring a lot of that on myself, by getting involved with a WIP. Which was, now that I think of it, a time when I was a lot more hung up on the internet will-people-like-this than the external do-I-have-time-to-work-on-this.
paraka
Oct. 9th, 2010 12:05 am (UTC)
You're doing bandom for podbang?
See, this is where the stroking-someone's-ego thing can pay off. The podbang fandom sign ups went out around the same time you and roga were trying to tempt me over to bandom on that post at amproof's journal. I said I would give it a try and roga said she'd find me a fic if I needed her to. So I said I'd be willing to do bandom for podbang.

Then assignments went out and, sure enough, I got a bandom assignment. And then I realized that, really, I just want to stay in AI fandom. I signed up for podbang twice, once on my own and once as a group. My group wants to stay away from RPF, so, of course, it was given someone who wanted AI RPF.

I ended up doing a little switcheroo and am doing the group assignment for my personal one and the group is doing the one I got. Technically the person who the group is now doing gave more than one fandom as an option, however she spent a lot of time describing what kind of bandom podfic she wanted and had one sentence toward the other fandom. So. The group is going to do a podfic for the other fandom (if we can find one!) but I feel really guilty so will likely make a shorter bandom podfic as a consolation prize.

It was kind of like the podfic *became* the source material for the fandom.
I can actually do that more easily with RPF than with FPF. With FPF there's definite canon to point to. But with RPF "canon" is... more fluid.

I have actually been completely shocked to hear you say this.
I totally choked when I read that. Which... sent me into a coughing fit actually.
I'm sorry you got that impression, it's totally not true. I have a handful of your podfics that I plan to make recs for on my journal (I just currently have a back log of... 325 things :S) and have rec'ed them elsewhere. Like here and here.

If I'm being honest, we do have different fic tastes, so while I like your reading, sometimes I don't love your podfics just because the fics you read aren't my favourite. But that's the nature of podfic. (Also, I'm really sad, but Building Jerusalem is something I'll never be able to listen to again, but that's for completely personal reasons and has nothing to do with your reading, or the author).
But I just checked my Delicious and I have 9 podfics of yours bookmarked and I've officially* listened to them 17 times (I think 3 times is the most per podfic), so I do enjoy them and listen to them over and over again.

Which was, now that I think of it, a time when I was a lot more hung up on the internet will-people-like-this than the external do-I-have-time-to-work-on-this.
I doubt how you were when you joined fandom would have changed that too much. That's just kind of how people react in fandom in general. We don't have things like publishers sifting through the "bad stuff" so people naturally larch onto the good stuff they find and ask for more, to save themselves more sifting to find the gems.

*I say officially since I had a tag of the month every time I listen to something, however there have been times where I've listened to things more than once a month and it only counts once. Also, sometimes I'll half listen to them, which I don't count on delicious.
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